“It starts with porn!” Human or AI Transubstantiation? Nina Schick, Trailblazing AI Expert

Exploring the possibilities of AI technology with Nina Schick

"People still tend to give [AI Tools] a certain level of emotional intelligence, equating it to humans." Nina Schick

Prepare to be captivated by a riveting conversation as Chris and Mike sit down with AI expert Nina Schick. Get ready to explore the intriguing debate of AI transubstantiation, where the lines between human and artificial intelligence blur in fascinating ways.

Dive into the thought provoking discussion as Nina Schick takes you on a journey through the world of AI, raising questions about the nature of human and AI interactions. Be intrigued by the concept of chatting with AI that mimics human intelligence, prompting you to ponder the possibilities and implications of this technology.

Experience the excitement of exploring the boundaries between human and AI intelligence, and the potential for groundbreaking advancements in communication and technology.

Listen to Chris and Mike's conversation with Nina Schick. Equip yourself with insights and perspectives on the evolving landscape of AI transubstantiation, and join the discussion on the future of human and AI interactions.

Episode Quotes

What Nina Schick said…

•  "I think I'm only ever consistently hungover these days when I'm at my in-laws place. So this week has just been about okay, straight back on that wagon to go to the gym. No more alcohol."
•  "They love the good life. Yeah. And they love a little bit of tipple."
•  "People still tend to give them a certain level of emotional intelligence, equating it to humans."
• "I have no doubt in the next three to five years that's going to broaden up."
•  “AI will lose its significance in the sense that you're just like, it's like talking about science or technology or digital.”

What Chris Argent said…

• "My name is Chris and that is Mike. Pay everyone."
• "On the work side, we renewed our partnership with the ACCA, which is great. It's like an accounting institution out there that is really sort of driving a lot of the messaging around AI." 
•  "I don't know whether it was an excuse to get away from the family. But I actually made my own GPT. I created a Gen CFO game changer, which is trying to be a bit of a transformation advisor helper."
•  "So what has happened this week in the world?  First I want to confess that I found these from a mates newsletter that you send out every week."
•  “So we're gonna wrap up, there's been so much in this podcast, Nina, thank you for being part of it. I think we kicked off the new year in style. So thank you for doing that.”

What Mike Rose said…

• "It's been rainy, so it's very wet, wet wet out there. And yesterday was epic."
•  "Given my gammy foot, my knees and age, it will be legs just so I can carry on running, walking and climbing stuff." 
•  "There are even in that world, right, there are levels of accountability."
•  "So the observation or the thought is that it feels like power is shifting from the nation state to companies and like the Samsung's the apples, the Goggles that the open AI is Microsoft in a way that hasn't happened before."
•  “We're kind of like that bit. Now. between it being witchcraft and magic. Yeah. And eventually, it will be the applications that we just commonly use.”

Episode Summary 

This podcast episode kicked off with the hosts Chris Argent, Mike Rose and guest Nina Schick discussing how their weeks had been since the new year. Nina shared that she had been recovering from an excessively alcoholic Christmas spent with her in-laws, while Chris talked about renewing a partnership with the ACCA and creating an AI assistant prototype.

The conversation then turned to Christmas decoration related injuries, with Mike sharing a chart showing spikes in emergency room visits around the holidays. This led to a discussion about climbing Mount Everest and marathon running, and the challenges and motivations around such activities.

Nina and Chris debated the humanization of AI technologies. Nina discussed the tendency to attribute emotional intelligence to AI systems despite their lack of sentience. She also referenced the debate around AI sentience sparked by engineers like Blake Lemoyne.

Chris expressed scepticism about naming AI bots with human names, arguing it risks misunderstanding their current limitations.

Mike then shifted the conversation to consider the impact of exponential technologies on geopolitics and global power dynamics. Nina shared her background moving from geopolitics to focus on information warfare and election integrity, which led her to study deepfakes and generative AI. She observed the potential for AI to transform societies faster than any previous technology.

The hosts discussed the concentration of economic and political power in large tech companies and questions around accountability. Chris highlighted regulatory challenges around overseeing "black box" AI systems. Mike raised the prospect of tech companies one day surpassing nation states in influence.

After discussing Google trends data and visualisations of London's underground, Chris brought the conversation back to ineffective financial regulation in the UK. Nina advocated for businesses to thoughtfully adopt AI while ensuring safety. 

The episode concluded with Chris thanking Nina and emphasising the non-numerical focus of the podcast.

Episode Time Stamps

0:00-05:00 - Introductions

05:00-10:00 - Discussing how each speaker's week has been since the new year - Chris discusses his New Year’s resolutions and Nina’s struggling with hangovers.

10:00-15:00 - Christmas decoration injuries and climbing Mount Everest/marathons - Mike shares a chart on ER visits for Christmas decoration related injuries. Mike and Nina discuss the challenges of climbing Mount Everest and marathon running.

15:00-20:00 - Debate around humanization of AI and attributing intelligence - Chris expresses his scepticism towards the humanisation of Gen AI.

20:00-25:00 - Impact of exponential technologies on geopolitics, power dynamics, and Nina's background

25:00-30:00 - Concentration of power in tech companies and questions around accountability - Nina and Mike discuss corruption in the accounting and finance industry.

30:00-35:00 - Discussion of Google trends data and London underground visualisation - Mike analyses Google trends for 2023 and finds that ChatGPT is a persistent search item.

35:00-40:00 - Ineffective financial regulation in the UK and adopting AI thoughtfully

40:00-45:00 - Predictions around future of AI and normalisation into applications - Chris advocates for a careful approach to AI governance, emphasising the importance of safety and ethical considerations. 

45:00-50:00 - Conclusion and thanking Nina for participation

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